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top tax rates? and i'm also wondering what our final deadline is on this? when do we really have to have a deal? >> increasing tax rates draws money away from our economy that needs to be invested in our economy to put the american people back to work. it's the wrong approach. we're willing to put revenues on the table, but revenues that come from closing loopholes, getting rid of special interest deductions, and not raising rates. we think it's better for the economy. pure and simple. secondly, the american people expect us to find common ground, to work together, and to resolve this. and frankly, sooner is better than later. >> you've been doing this for a long time. the past 24 hours, is this the necessary public posturing that needs to go on or is there a serious stalemate right now? >> there's a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. i'm not trying to make this more difficult. if you've watched me in the last three weeks, i've been very guarded because i don't want to make it harder for me or the
top tax rates? and i'm also wondering what our final deadline is on this? when do we really have to have a deal? >> increasing tax rates draws money away from our economy that needs to be invested in our economy to put the american people back to work. it's the wrong approach. we're willing to put revenues on the table, but revenues that come from closing loopholes, getting rid of special interest deductions, and not raising rates. we think it's better for the economy. pure and simple....
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tax rate goes up. eventually you will get someone out, to get that president out and get president who wants lower tax rates and congress that wants the lower tax rate and maybe a senate. it would hurt dramatically. best time to do it is now. >> andrea: there are two schools of thought here. one if you follow twitter or watch republicans who are on the pundit circle, they say let them go off cliff and let obama own that. there is another one that says just let him have what he wants and then when the economy nose dives he will have to own it. republicans are going to get blamed anyway. do you feel strong about either one of those? >> dana: not necessarily. i do think i see in "washington post," headline, obama offers plan for cliff. plan to be in quotes. the thing that amazes me and the media lets it happen. for eight years or longer now. i had to defend how many times people said on the left, including president obama when he was running for president the first time, the bush tax cuts only help the ri
tax rate goes up. eventually you will get someone out, to get that president out and get president who wants lower tax rates and congress that wants the lower tax rate and maybe a senate. it would hurt dramatically. best time to do it is now. >> andrea: there are two schools of thought here. one if you follow twitter or watch republicans who are on the pundit circle, they say let them go off cliff and let obama own that. there is another one that says just let him have what he wants and...
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second, state and local taxes paid. that's just a tax shift. instead of raising taxes on you by simply raising them on you, we raise them on you by making our state and local tax bill higher. it'll pound on high tax cities on states which means it'll hit the cities and states by making them less attractive places for people to live. there a political veilance here too. all ten of the highest tax states wept for president obama in 2012 and eight of the lowest tax states were for romney. that would be a particularly tough tax for blue states. them. charitable contributions. this is the most sensitive to tax incentives. you have to live somewhere, you need a home and it is hard it move it a new state because taxes went up. you don't need to give to charity. people give to charity because they want to and also, let's be real, because the government encourages through the tax code. it is reported in bloomberg in 2009 households with incomes of more than $200,000 claimed almost $60 billion in charitable deductions or 20% of total charitable giving in
second, state and local taxes paid. that's just a tax shift. instead of raising taxes on you by simply raising them on you, we raise them on you by making our state and local tax bill higher. it'll pound on high tax cities on states which means it'll hit the cities and states by making them less attractive places for people to live. there a political veilance here too. all ten of the highest tax states wept for president obama in 2012 and eight of the lowest tax states were for romney. that...
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they'd like to continue the payroll tax credit. they want a permanent increase in the debt limit and a one-year extension of expanded jobless benefits. they want at least $50 billion in spending as a stimulus to the economy. that was the white house ask that prompted that laugh from mitch mcconnell when tim geithner gave it to him yesterday. today in an interview with "the wall street journal," mcconnell floated his own balloon of what he'd like to see. here are some of the elements. mcconnell saying they want changes to entitlement eligibility. they would agree to more tax revenue, yes, but not higher rates. only if they get the revenue through changing deductions and other things like that. they say the white house is almost comical here. the key is means testing of these entitlement programs and age extensions for retirement, particularly, obviously, with social security and medicare. that's the key to the deal, guys. now we end the week sort of nowhere. they'll be back at it again next week. >> all right. thanks so much, eamon
they'd like to continue the payroll tax credit. they want a permanent increase in the debt limit and a one-year extension of expanded jobless benefits. they want at least $50 billion in spending as a stimulus to the economy. that was the white house ask that prompted that laugh from mitch mcconnell when tim geithner gave it to him yesterday. today in an interview with "the wall street journal," mcconnell floated his own balloon of what he'd like to see. here are some of the elements....
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are the party of lower taxes, are you going to refuse to cut people's taxes? >> listen, nobody wants to go over the cliff. that is why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making a concession to put revenues on the table. and it is unfortunate that the white house spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> chris: you have been around this time, a long time and have been through a lot of negotiations. what is their game? what is their thinking as to how they will work -- well, they figure they won and they will get what they want? >> i have no idea, chris. if i knew, i would share it with you. i don't know what they are thinking. >> chris: do you think they are being bullies. >> i think they've won the election and must have forgotten republicans continue to hold a majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is, will they do what i ask. we need to find common ground and need to find it quickly. >> chris: and, again, you kind of didn't answer it the first time, what are the chances we'll go over the cl
are the party of lower taxes, are you going to refuse to cut people's taxes? >> listen, nobody wants to go over the cliff. that is why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making a concession to put revenues on the table. and it is unfortunate that the white house spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> chris: you have been around this time, a long time and have been through a lot of negotiations. what is their game? what is their thinking as to how...
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no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. at chevy's year-end event, we have 11 vehicles that offer an epa-estimated 30 mpg highway or better. yeah? hey. hey. where's your suit? oh, it's casual friday. oh. [ male announcer ] chevy's giving more. now get a 2013 malibu ls for around $199 per month, plus competitive lessees can get $1,000 toward the down payment for an even better deal. >>> good morning, everybody. i'm thomas roberts. topping the agenda the new grinch that's threatening to steal christmas, the seemingly insurmountable impasse over the fiscal cliff. live the president's pr campaign taking him outside the white house but inside the beltway. you're taking a live look at the president glad handing the group of busi
no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. at chevy's year-end event, we have 11 vehicles that offer an epa-estimated 30 mpg highway or...
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fine, you don't want new tax rates. we're out of this. >> what we're trying to do is to get them to come together and join us and doing something that's good for the american economy, and we recognize that's going to require spending savings, not just revenue increases on the top wealthiest 2% of americans. >> and you propose the spending side. you like to see what they want? proposals on both sides. if they want to go beyond that, they should tell us what they like to do. if they want to do it differently -- >> whose turn is this? where are we in this? >> the ball really is with them now. again, they're in a hard place. they're having a tough time trying to figure out what they can do. that's understandable. this is very difficult for them. we might need more time to figure out where -- where they go next. >> we don't have a lot of time. >> you can't wait very long. what we are trying to do is be as clear as we can with what is essential to us and what we like to have and what we think is good for the american economy
fine, you don't want new tax rates. we're out of this. >> what we're trying to do is to get them to come together and join us and doing something that's good for the american economy, and we recognize that's going to require spending savings, not just revenue increases on the top wealthiest 2% of americans. >> and you propose the spending side. you like to see what they want? proposals on both sides. if they want to go beyond that, they should tell us what they like to do. if they...
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the fact of the matter is, our tax is a high tax state even though i did cut taxes. our unemployment rate never went much over 6.5%. it has been consistently much below the nation's unemployment rate the entire time. secondly, what you're seeing in wall street today is short-term behavior. bill clinton's tax rates, what we're going back to if we go down the fiscal slope, had no negative effect in the economy. in fact the economy was a whole lot better when bill clinton was president than it was under george bush or barack obama. so i think your case is good in the short term, not so good in the long term. i think the best way to restore confidence in wall street in the long term would be to show we're serious about the deficit. i don't think any deal they strike will be as serious about the deficit as this fiscal slope. >> i just think that era, you're right. the economy boomd especially in the mid 1990s and late 1990s. i don't think it did so well a couple years after bill clinton raised taxes. that's one of the reasons 1994 republicans had the biggest election they
the fact of the matter is, our tax is a high tax state even though i did cut taxes. our unemployment rate never went much over 6.5%. it has been consistently much below the nation's unemployment rate the entire time. secondly, what you're seeing in wall street today is short-term behavior. bill clinton's tax rates, what we're going back to if we go down the fiscal slope, had no negative effect in the economy. in fact the economy was a whole lot better when bill clinton was president than it was...
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keep the rest of my taxes for me. schools, public safety, the roads, parks, libraries, public transportation, all went into decline. the rich people didn't care. they said everyone gets what they deserve. ordinary people wondered why rich people needed so much money. the 1% said don't worry. this is good for you, too, because it will trickle down from us to you. >> urinating on people. classy image. doesn't get much worse than that. joining me with reaction, tucker carlson and kiersten powers from the daily beast. it goes on seven minutes long, kiersten, and i thought of past pop begapropaganda. at the end of this, somebody watches this, they get indoctrinated. they really begin to believe that rich people are evil. did you get that feeling? it was that bad to me. >> it was pretty bad. i have to say even i found it offensive. >> even i, yeah. >> yeah. no. look, it goes a little too far. i think you can certainly make an argument that there are rich people that are indifferent to poor people, but i don't think that you
keep the rest of my taxes for me. schools, public safety, the roads, parks, libraries, public transportation, all went into decline. the rich people didn't care. they said everyone gets what they deserve. ordinary people wondered why rich people needed so much money. the 1% said don't worry. this is good for you, too, because it will trickle down from us to you. >> urinating on people. classy image. doesn't get much worse than that. joining me with reaction, tucker carlson and kiersten...
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taxes will go up on everybody. and republicans will instead be in a position of voting against middle class tax cuts. democrats bring such a bill to the floor. on sunday house minority leader signaled democrats may not wait saying in a statement, quote, if speaker boehner refuses to schedule this widely supported bill for a vote on democrats for a vote, democrats will introduce a discharged petition to automatically bring to the floor the senate passed middle class tax cuts bill, that bill that would pass the 98% automatically raise the rates to the clinton era for the top 2%. ultimately he has to bring out the best deal. this new negotiation strategy. it appears to have genuinely thrown republicans for a loop. >> the idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me they made a political calculation. the plan to entitlement reform is quite frankly a joke. >> a two-step deal in place. step one spending cuts and tax changes that would take effect in
taxes will go up on everybody. and republicans will instead be in a position of voting against middle class tax cuts. democrats bring such a bill to the floor. on sunday house minority leader signaled democrats may not wait saying in a statement, quote, if speaker boehner refuses to schedule this widely supported bill for a vote on democrats for a vote, democrats will introduce a discharged petition to automatically bring to the floor the senate passed middle class tax cuts bill, that bill that...
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they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do it by january 1st, we're going to keep passing tax cuts for the middle class. if they keep saying no, eventually they won't because the public pressure will be on them they need to step up. they have to quit protecting. they do everything in the name of the wealthy. >> okay. sherrod brown, stay with us. i appreciate it. >>> it looks like senator-elect elizabeth warren, a champion of financial reform, will get a spot on the banking committee. >>> and senator john mccain hints he might favor filibuster reform. debbie stabenow is here on rule changes. stay with us. we're right back. >>> to all the small business owners who are tired of the system rigged against them, we're going to hold the big guys accountable. >> welcome back to "the ed show." that's elizabeth warren of massachusetts who has been a true champion of holding the big guys accountable. they might be in for a rude awakening. warren will likely become a member of the b
they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do it by january 1st, we're going to keep passing tax cuts for the middle class. if they keep saying no, eventually they won't because the public pressure will be on them they need to step up. they have to quit protecting. they do everything in the name of the wealthy. >> okay. sherrod brown, stay with us. i appreciate it. >>> it looks like senator-elect...
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tax cuts for the middle class. tonight chris van hollen and jan schakowsky and the latest on the fiscal cliff. >>> the meeting with the president looks good for progressives. we'll get the scoop from james hoffa. >>> plus breaking news. republicans running the benghazi witch hunt remain disturbed and troubles. >> i'm more disturbed and significantly troubled. >> i'm more troubled. >> joan walsh on today's big meeting with susan rice. >>> and yesterday ricks rolled fox news. >> i think that the emphasis on benghazi has been extremely political because fox was operating as a wing of the republican party. >> today fox news strikes back. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. the white house is keeping republicans in a box. president obama is hitting the road to push the extension of tax cuts for income, for folks under $250,000 a year. the president will kick off his tour in southeastern pennsylvania on friday. today he met with small business owners at the white house and tomorrow he plans
tax cuts for the middle class. tonight chris van hollen and jan schakowsky and the latest on the fiscal cliff. >>> the meeting with the president looks good for progressives. we'll get the scoop from james hoffa. >>> plus breaking news. republicans running the benghazi witch hunt remain disturbed and troubles. >> i'm more disturbed and significantly troubled. >> i'm more troubled. >> joan walsh on today's big meeting with susan rice. >>> and...
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the problem isn't that we tax too little, we spend too much. >> greta: the democrats wanted the taxes to go on the rich, those over $250,000, and we still have the structural problem in that it doesn't solve the problems. it solves the problems for eight or nine days. do they say anything about that? >> no. if you raise taxes, they think you'll get more revenue, $68 billion, which actually funds the government for less than a week, but you give all that revenue back in the form of lower economic growth. i mean, you're going to lose growth in the economy. that's what generates more government revenue, is more economic growth. >> greta: even if you give them that money, still you only fund eight days. if you let them tax the rich, you still only have eight days, still have the same infrastructure and same sort of economic structure of our country unless we do something about it, we're cooked. >> right. we can't -- republicans cannot be for anything that doesn't involve entitlements. you've got to reform entitlement programs. that's got to be on the table. so far the president has been u
the problem isn't that we tax too little, we spend too much. >> greta: the democrats wanted the taxes to go on the rich, those over $250,000, and we still have the structural problem in that it doesn't solve the problems. it solves the problems for eight or nine days. do they say anything about that? >> no. if you raise taxes, they think you'll get more revenue, $68 billion, which actually funds the government for less than a week, but you give all that revenue back in the form of...
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remember, the president, two years ago, extended all of the tax cuts, including the tax cuts for top earners, on the grounds that the economy was so weak, it couldn't take the blow and the withdrawal in effect of money from the economy by doing that. so to some degree, the administration itself is evolving with changing economic circumstances. at some point, when you get in a recovery, and the administration's making the case and job numbers tell us we are recovering and other economic data do, too, you say some of the things we enacted as emergency measure during the great recession are going to either be taken away or tapered down. and that's part of the logic of including some cuts or some reduction in the extension of unemployment, food stamps and other things. >> but okay, we're going to talk about the reality of being poor in america and the next couple of block. the notion that you can start kicking people off food stamp rolls because we're in a recovery. if you look at how much money people are make, the stats, economic impact of giving a person a dollar in food stamps equals
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the tax cuts entime entitlement cuts. >> i'm not sure that they won't fold on the tax cuts. once again you have to step back from the observation of what's going on in washington now, and remember we're fighting whether or not the top marginal rates should be in the low 30s or not. we should roll back the reagan tax cut but i don't believe in miracles. >> eliot: charles, what you're say something critically important. we're all in a way falling prey to this issue as if they're big issues when they're not. the fact that the rate would go from 35 to 39.6, it used to be in the 90s and 70s and 60s, and capital gains will be taxed at below the rate of ordinary income. we're dealing with the most minimal of shifts and changes yet we're being sucked into the notion that this is dramatic. it's not. >> you divided the republicans in three separate camps. i would say that the difference between the theological theocrats and the tee tea party is minimal. to a certain extent the policies that plays out with the theocrats is economics. four republicans have become identity politics. they
the tax cuts entime entitlement cuts. >> i'm not sure that they won't fold on the tax cuts. once again you have to step back from the observation of what's going on in washington now, and remember we're fighting whether or not the top marginal rates should be in the low 30s or not. we should roll back the reagan tax cut but i don't believe in miracles. >> eliot: charles, what you're say something critically important. we're all in a way falling prey to this issue as if they're big...
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instead of raising tax rates, we can produce a similar amount of revenue reforming the tax code to close loopholes and lower tax rates. >> no, no, no. republicans are not getting the mitt romney tax proposal. time to move on speaker boehner. republicans are furious about the white house proposal. mitch mcconnell told the weekly standard he burst into laughter when he received the deal. the new second ranking republican in the senate john cornyn also disparaged the deal. >> that's a crazy idea. i'm amazed that secretary geithner had the courage to float that yesterday. hence the laughter from senator mcconnell. that's the kind of response it deserves. >> they are laughing in public, but they are panicking behind closed doors. conservative writer matt lewis, writer for "the daily caller", the notion that republicans have leverage is silly. it's the same kind of happy thinking that led to some boldly-predicting a romney victory. he said republicans are so screwed. this is why president obama is playing to his strengths. the president has never had a problem rallying the american people to h
instead of raising tax rates, we can produce a similar amount of revenue reforming the tax code to close loopholes and lower tax rates. >> no, no, no. republicans are not getting the mitt romney tax proposal. time to move on speaker boehner. republicans are furious about the white house proposal. mitch mcconnell told the weekly standard he burst into laughter when he received the deal. the new second ranking republican in the senate john cornyn also disparaged the deal. >> that's a...
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they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do it by january 1st, we're going to keep passing tax cuts for the middle class. if they keep saying no, eventually they won't because the public pressure will be on them they need to step up. they have to quit protecting. they do everything in the name of the wealthy. >> okay. sherrod brown, stay with us. i appreciate it. >>> it looks like senator-elect elizabeth warren, a champion of financial reform, will get a spot on the banking committee. >>> and senator john mccain hints he might favor filibuster reform. debbie stabenow is here on rule changes. stay with us. we're right back. if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. th
they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do it by january 1st, we're going to keep passing tax cuts for the middle class. if they keep saying no, eventually they won't because the public pressure will be on them they need to step up. they have to quit protecting. they do everything in the name of the wealthy. >> okay. sherrod brown, stay with us. i appreciate it. >>> it looks like senator-elect...
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tonight's question, will radical republicans ever agree to a tax hike deal? text "a" for yes and text "b" for no to 622639. you can always go to our blog and leave a comment. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. >>> joining me tonight, congressman steny hoyer of maryland, the house democratic whip. congressman, good to have you with us tonight. appreciate it. >> always good to be with you, ed. thanks. >> got some folks nervous talking about entitlements. when you say entitlement cuts are on the table, what does that mean and how far are you willing to go? >> well, when i say everything needs to be on the table, ed, i want everybody to put their cards on the table and tell me what they want to do. i want not only to see that myself, i want to see what others want to do, including my republican colleagues, in terms of entitlements. now, there are some things we are absolutely not going to do, as you well know. made it very clear during the election, we're not going to voucherize medicare. we're not going to privatize security. we believe very stron
tonight's question, will radical republicans ever agree to a tax hike deal? text "a" for yes and text "b" for no to 622639. you can always go to our blog and leave a comment. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. >>> joining me tonight, congressman steny hoyer of maryland, the house democratic whip. congressman, good to have you with us tonight. appreciate it. >> always good to be with you, ed. thanks. >> got some folks nervous talking about...
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they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do it by january 1st, we're going to keep passing tax cuts for the middle class. if they keep say iing no, eventually they won't because the public pressure will be on them they need to step up. they have to quit protecting. they do everything in the name of the wealthy. >> okay. sherrod brown, stay with us. i appreciate it. >>> it looks like senator-elect elizabeth warren, a champion of financial reform, will get a spot on the banking committee. >>> and senator john mccain hints he might favor filibuster reform. debbie stabenow is here on rule changes. stay with us. we're right back. eat good fats. avoid bad. don't go over 2000... 1200 calories a day. carbs are bad. carbs are good. the story keeps changing. so i'm not listening... to anyone but myself. i know better nutrition when i see it: great grains. great grains cereal starts whole and stays whole. see the seam? more processed flakes look nothing like natural grains. you can'
they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do it by january 1st, we're going to keep passing tax cuts for the middle class. if they keep say iing no, eventually they won't because the public pressure will be on them they need to step up. they have to quit protecting. they do everything in the name of the wealthy. >> okay. sherrod brown, stay with us. i appreciate it. >>> it looks like senator-elect...
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. >> we shall not raise taxes in this country. we do not have a revenue problem. i would like senator mcconnell to recognize that the washington leaders are like a bunch of crack addicts. they need evermore money for evermore growing government and it is at the expense of the ordinary citizen that they pursue these policies. >> reporter: but the brighter those lines are drawn, the harder it will be to get a deal. owen williams worked more than 20 years on wall street. now he runs a small college here that sits on the board of the henry clay center for statesmanship. the way to a solution, he says, is for both sides to have a voice. >> both have taken the attitude that it's my way or the highway. and americans recognize that that's just not the way things typically get done in this country. and if we continue along that line, we will go over the fiscal cliff and who knows what the abyss beyond it will be like. >> reporter: the united states senate's always valued its reputation as the world's greatest deliberative body set apart fr
. >> we shall not raise taxes in this country. we do not have a revenue problem. i would like senator mcconnell to recognize that the washington leaders are like a bunch of crack addicts. they need evermore money for evermore growing government and it is at the expense of the ordinary citizen that they pursue these policies. >> reporter: but the brighter those lines are drawn, the harder it will be to get a deal. owen williams worked more than 20 years on wall street. now he runs a...
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you may lose the tax deduction there. that will definitely hit the top percent of americans, and that's a concern because it's a lot of small business owners. >> let's talk about the other immensely popular deduction, and this is the mortgage deduction. >> this is a heated one. this is very heated. here's the thing. if you're looking at your interest that you're paying, up to a million dollars of that is deductible. second homes, the interest is deductible. home equity loans, the interest is deductedible. now, that's been around since the teens. the ability to do that. so here's the thing, though. only one in four homeowners actually take this deduction. >> really? >> yes. right. people aren't really surprised because most homeowners actually don't necessarily qualify for it because they don't pay enough in interest. >> or they don't itemize? >> they don't itemize, exactly. so at least 25% to 30% of those folks, however, make less than $100,000. so these folks will get very hit by this. if they can phase it in, that will
you may lose the tax deduction there. that will definitely hit the top percent of americans, and that's a concern because it's a lot of small business owners. >> let's talk about the other immensely popular deduction, and this is the mortgage deduction. >> this is a heated one. this is very heated. here's the thing. if you're looking at your interest that you're paying, up to a million dollars of that is deductible. second homes, the interest is deductible. home equity loans, the...
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tonight's question, will radical republicans ever agree to a tax hike deal? text "a" for yes and text "b" for no to 622639. you can always go to our blog and leave a comment. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. >>> joining me tonight, congressman steny hoyer of maryland, the house democratic whip. congressman, good to have you with us tonight. appreciate it. >> always good to be with you, ed. thanks. >> got some folks nervous talking about entitlements. when you say entitlement cuts are on the table, what does that mean and how far are you willing to go? we believe very strongly that we need additional revenues if we're going to get our country on a fiscally sound basis. >> and that would take us to benefits. are you willing to put benefits on the table to get a deal? >> everything needs to be on the table. when you say say, am i willing -- i want to see what the outlines are. i think even paul ryan, in the short-term, said benefits should not be on the table. i agree with that, certainly. and it depends upon what you're talking about. certainly
tonight's question, will radical republicans ever agree to a tax hike deal? text "a" for yes and text "b" for no to 622639. you can always go to our blog and leave a comment. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. >>> joining me tonight, congressman steny hoyer of maryland, the house democratic whip. congressman, good to have you with us tonight. appreciate it. >> always good to be with you, ed. thanks. >> got some folks nervous talking about...
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we don't want to increase tax rates. we're not going to increase tax rates. >> warner: a white house spokesman shot back that republicans ought not to be surprised that mr. obama is sticking to his guns. and congressional democrats, like house minority leader nancy pelosi, welcomed the president's plan. >> elections have consequences. the president campaigned-- he made it very clear, he made it very clear that he was supporting a tax cut for the middle class, that he wanted the expiration of the tax cuts for the high end. and the american people know that debate, they voted for him. >> warner: still, despite all the tough talk, reporter todd zwillich of wnyc and public radio international says there's more movement behind the scenes than meets the eye. >> there does tend to be a pattern to how big negotiations like this go. the fact that they haven't reached an agreement yet doesn't mean they won't before christmas, doesn't mean they won't before new years. there is a value in doing some public posturing and trying to ge
we don't want to increase tax rates. we're not going to increase tax rates. >> warner: a white house spokesman shot back that republicans ought not to be surprised that mr. obama is sticking to his guns. and congressional democrats, like house minority leader nancy pelosi, welcomed the president's plan. >> elections have consequences. the president campaigned-- he made it very clear, he made it very clear that he was supporting a tax cut for the middle class, that he wanted the...
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on the issue of middle class tax cuts republicans want to go forward saying we raised taxes on the middle class. >> but chris, doesn't the white house have to be a little more specific about what's in that $400 billion of medicare cuts? i mean they're trying to smoke out what the republicans are willing to go for, but each side is suspicious, understandably, they will get hammered publicly. >> that's right. and the democrats on the hill and in the white house will tell you, that we don't want to be the face of tax increases and of entitlement cuts. so, they're saying we have a budget here, $400 billion worth of cuts we can start there. if you have a better idea, show it to us. both sides are very, very weary because they understand showing their hand and the ads that would be run if john boehner would say we want these cuts, raise the entitlement age on medicare and hurt granny and grandpa. that's a big problem for republicans and the white house has come out and been the most specific so far. that plan that geithner took to the hill is the most specificity we've seen from either leader a
on the issue of middle class tax cuts republicans want to go forward saying we raised taxes on the middle class. >> but chris, doesn't the white house have to be a little more specific about what's in that $400 billion of medicare cuts? i mean they're trying to smoke out what the republicans are willing to go for, but each side is suspicious, understandably, they will get hammered publicly. >> that's right. and the democrats on the hill and in the white house will tell you, that we...
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one-third of it was tax cuts. they said from the get go, we're going to give republicans what they want. we expect them to meet in the middle. that's not what they did this time. this is where we are, we'll meet down here. republicans are going to do the same thing. they're going to say this is not a serious proposal. along the way, they are going to meet. it's going to be a proposal that doesn't have a trillion dollars in tax rates. >> some conservatives are encouraging republicans to go off the cliff. >> they obviously expect republicans will cave on everything. i think republicans ought to simply walk away. >> limbaugh said the same thing as well. is this political suicide for republicans? who would really pay the political price before the state of the union and on into the spring if they don't have a deal? >> republicans. i think matt lewis and his column got it right. they would pay the price. what they are essentially saying because we want to protect -- listen, it's a more complex argument. what it will be
one-third of it was tax cuts. they said from the get go, we're going to give republicans what they want. we expect them to meet in the middle. that's not what they did this time. this is where we are, we'll meet down here. republicans are going to do the same thing. they're going to say this is not a serious proposal. along the way, they are going to meet. it's going to be a proposal that doesn't have a trillion dollars in tax rates. >> some conservatives are encouraging republicans to go...
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by the same time the chancellor is touting tax credits for working families and raising taxes and cutting benefits for the unemployed. now, mr. speaker, we do need to modernize our welfare state. those who work and can work should work. no ifs, ands or buts. so let us be clear. the chancellor claims he would cut the welfare bill, but higher inflation and long-term unemployment means the benefit is forecasted to be billions higher. the clue is in the name, mr. speaker. he cannot run a successful welfare to work program without work. and we know that the work program has totally failed with only two people in 100. we should be, mr. speaker. we should be requiring every long-term person to take a job. making sure that there is one there. let me ask the chancellor. one of the thousands now struggling to find a new job. he has announced today that he is cutting for jobseekers allowance for the next three years. how can that be fair when he is cutting the top rate tax? how can that be fair when someone earning 220,000 pounds a year will get a top rate tax cut of 75 pounds a week in april, which
by the same time the chancellor is touting tax credits for working families and raising taxes and cutting benefits for the unemployed. now, mr. speaker, we do need to modernize our welfare state. those who work and can work should work. no ifs, ands or buts. so let us be clear. the chancellor claims he would cut the welfare bill, but higher inflation and long-term unemployment means the benefit is forecasted to be billions higher. the clue is in the name, mr. speaker. he cannot run a successful...
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i'm fine with this $250,000 a year family not getting a tax cut and letting that expire, that tax cut for those wealthier 2% to expire. there are a couple people who have come out with that. mary bono mack has said that doesn't sound too bad. also robert dole who said that. what about you? >> yeah, no, i don't support that. and tom is a great political strategist and what he was saying is, hey, look, we know there will be a revenue increase. if we can get that, big deal. and so let's just go ahead and take it off the table, you know, let's take that leverage away from the president there, but the reality is as a republican who my very core principles are lower taxes, limited government, to just take a solo tax -- or vote on a tax increase with not having everything else there to kind of, you know, give us the sugar to make the medicine go down. that's just not going to fly. most of us aren't going to support that. but i could certainly understand tom's political strategy of trying to take it off the table, then the president may get serious about dealing with all of the other financia
i'm fine with this $250,000 a year family not getting a tax cut and letting that expire, that tax cut for those wealthier 2% to expire. there are a couple people who have come out with that. mary bono mack has said that doesn't sound too bad. also robert dole who said that. what about you? >> yeah, no, i don't support that. and tom is a great political strategist and what he was saying is, hey, look, we know there will be a revenue increase. if we can get that, big deal. and so let's just...
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is the prime minister guilty of tax of points for tax evasion? >> $900 million into specific majors of tax avoidance. all these schemes grew up under years of labour government. they never did a general tax avoidance. they presided over a system where people in the city were paying less taxes than their cleaners and the government has sorted out. >> not to be remembered as the prime minister introduced regulation of the press, an essential part of a free democracy. would you agree with me that regulation derives -- you are pregnant or not pregnant. you either have state regulation or you don't. there is no alternative third way. >> i would agree with my hon. friend. is it a free press? absolutely vital for free democracy? we should recognize all the press has done and should continue to do to uncover wrongdoing, stand up to the powerful. whatever changes we make we want a robust and free press in our country. >> research by the charity save the children, reveals shockingly that in our country when seven children does not have a warm coat this win
is the prime minister guilty of tax of points for tax evasion? >> $900 million into specific majors of tax avoidance. all these schemes grew up under years of labour government. they never did a general tax avoidance. they presided over a system where people in the city were paying less taxes than their cleaners and the government has sorted out. >> not to be remembered as the prime minister introduced regulation of the press, an essential part of a free democracy. would you agree...
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as i said the entire tax code is becoming a tax incentive. where you draw the line the amt usually goes to tax incentive bills and the fact the senate finance tax bills this year, the senate didn't pass it, the finance committee passed it and included tax extenders and the ones you went over but also included the amt patch indexing to inflation. >> so if these tax extenders have to be dealt with by the end of the year and in the fiscal cliff negotiation, what are the options for congress right now on december -- what is it the sixth today? >> these are kind of an afterthought at this point because often, as i said, all these are extended for your or two at a time. they talk about trying to make the list shorter, but if they have to, december 29th, they need to pass something, all they have to do is pass everything for a year and it won't costs so much. they get to this after figuring out the bigger question. >> host: they can do in one bill? text extenders and list the different -- >> guest: you will go in the big fiscal compromise and you wo
as i said the entire tax code is becoming a tax incentive. where you draw the line the amt usually goes to tax incentive bills and the fact the senate finance tax bills this year, the senate didn't pass it, the finance committee passed it and included tax extenders and the ones you went over but also included the amt patch indexing to inflation. >> so if these tax extenders have to be dealt with by the end of the year and in the fiscal cliff negotiation, what are the options for congress...
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the president has been out there taxing dividend income. that's something that failed when the senate tried to do it and obviously trade bait and he didn't campaign on it and he doesn't feel strong about it. >> the escape is something a lot of folks are concerned about. >> he put it out there and it could be adjusted. once you get a range, you could strike it right down the middle. there's plenty to do there. it's the politics that are holding him back. if you put boehner and the president on a golf course and let them make a deal that is binding, i think they could do it in an afternoon. >> beth, "the new york times" reporting that the president would like to set an august 1st deadline. the plan would call for $600 billion in new revenue from revisions in the tax code. that's on top of nearly a fri trillion dollars raised on the bush tax cuts for the rich. is there support for both of these? >> both parties suggest it is a mess and too many exemptions and loopholes and that's just not, it's too complicated. it needs to be simpler and littl
the president has been out there taxing dividend income. that's something that failed when the senate tried to do it and obviously trade bait and he didn't campaign on it and he doesn't feel strong about it. >> the escape is something a lot of folks are concerned about. >> he put it out there and it could be adjusted. once you get a range, you could strike it right down the middle. there's plenty to do there. it's the politics that are holding him back. if you put boehner and the...
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there is also other taxes like gasoline tax, phone tax. we pay a lot of money to foreign countries that we do not need to. as i think about taxes. guest: this is kind of one of the ideas that republicans talk about, and democrats talk about when we talk about moving to tax reform. it is getting the individual provisions. rainout it is a complicated mess -- right now it is a complicated mess. the kind of start over with a simple system that has a few income brackets. easier said than done. that is one of the goals here. host: jim from twitter says -- guest: absolutely. a lot of these credits and deductions, the standard deduction exceeds what you would get, that you just take that. host: the specific credits we have been talking about prompt a question from cindy. guest: yes. you generally have to be working are working outside the home. host: is there an hour requirements? guest: there are a lot of specific requirements. host: kay from richmond, virginia. caller: if somebody is working as hard as they can and making less than $50,000 a yea
there is also other taxes like gasoline tax, phone tax. we pay a lot of money to foreign countries that we do not need to. as i think about taxes. guest: this is kind of one of the ideas that republicans talk about, and democrats talk about when we talk about moving to tax reform. it is getting the individual provisions. rainout it is a complicated mess -- right now it is a complicated mess. the kind of start over with a simple system that has a few income brackets. easier said than done. that...
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i know you favor a consumption tax. how would it work, why is it better than an income tax? very interesting. >> what we want to do is have a tax code that's miles and miles wide and a half-inch deep, one that everybody participate in, one that is based on how much you spend, not how much that you're saving, and one that captures all the underground economy and closes up those loopholes. i'm outraged when i hear one of my business friends say, hey, i didn't pay any taxes last year because i was able to take advantage of whatever part of the tax code that his lawyer and accountant found out about. that's not good. we need everybody participating. that's why we say, simplify the tax code, get rid of these loopholes. >> congressman kingston, thank you very much. >>> apple and zynga among the big nasdaq movers today. we'll tell you which other big movers, winners and losers you need to know about. coming back in two minutes. can i help you? i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out.
i know you favor a consumption tax. how would it work, why is it better than an income tax? very interesting. >> what we want to do is have a tax code that's miles and miles wide and a half-inch deep, one that everybody participate in, one that is based on how much you spend, not how much that you're saving, and one that captures all the underground economy and closes up those loopholes. i'm outraged when i hear one of my business friends say, hey, i didn't pay any taxes last year because...
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the president's idea is raising taxes on income over a quarter million dollars but keeping the bush tax cuts for everybody else. that idea is very popular. 60% support. it is a very popular plan that the president is trying to drum up even more support for now with these campaign style trips. now, on the other side, what the republicans want to do, their plan is to limit deductions, limit tax deductions. that's their plan instead. that, in contrast to the president's proposal, is not popular. more people oppose that idea than support that idea. even republicans hate the republican idea. look at 39% of republicans support the republican proposal. that's before you get to the other part of the republican proposal, something being floated by republican senator bob corker of tennessee, an idea we should raise the eligibility age for medicare. that is a wildly unpopular idea. more people oppose than support that idea by a 37% margin. it is more unpopular among republicans than the general public. republicans have not convinced their own voters let alone the rest of the country. they have not
the president's idea is raising taxes on income over a quarter million dollars but keeping the bush tax cuts for everybody else. that idea is very popular. 60% support. it is a very popular plan that the president is trying to drum up even more support for now with these campaign style trips. now, on the other side, what the republicans want to do, their plan is to limit deductions, limit tax deductions. that's their plan instead. that, in contrast to the president's proposal, is not popular....
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they like taxes? >> it's a pledge not to increase taxes. people say why don't you toughen it. you don't want to change it because it is a simple guardrail. it doesn't solve the world's problems, it says no net tax increase. >> in your mind when someone signs it, how long are they committed to it? >> in writing when the person signs it as long as you are a congressman or senator. >> you are signing this for life? >> unless you intend to be a congressman for all of your life. >> a career decision. >> if someone tells you they are pro-life or pro-choice, is this 18 months or a year? how long are you pro-choice? you are telling someone who you are. i'm the kind of guy who is pro- choice or pro-life. two people have brought that up. latourette who decided to leave congress he said yeah i made that promise a long time ago and i went into district and talked about banks and mortgage. mortgage, that was 20 years ago. you are still sending me letters. people make a commitment. it's an easy simple commitment an
they like taxes? >> it's a pledge not to increase taxes. people say why don't you toughen it. you don't want to change it because it is a simple guardrail. it doesn't solve the world's problems, it says no net tax increase. >> in your mind when someone signs it, how long are they committed to it? >> in writing when the person signs it as long as you are a congressman or senator. >> you are signing this for life? >> unless you intend to be a congressman for all of...
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, limited government, to just take a solo tax -- or vote on a tax increase with not having everything else there to kind of, you know, give us the sugar to make the medicine go down. that's just not going to fly. most of us aren't going to support that. but i could certainly understand tom's political strategy of trying to take it off the table, then the president may get serious about dealing with all of the other financial problems we have. >> i hope y'all can come to some consensus because you're costing me money as i sit here and everybody else watching us. i think a lot of people are pretty frustrated with the people we're electing to do something big and bold. come on. negotiate. >> well, yeah, i nt, but when the president goes from, you know, hey, i want to increase taxes on those over $250,000 and geithner comes and puts on $1.6 trillion of taxes, we're going in the wrong direction. >> come back with another proposal and then come back on the show and i'll interview you about your proposal but i'm out of time. congressman terry, thanks for being with us. appreciate it. >>> joi
, limited government, to just take a solo tax -- or vote on a tax increase with not having everything else there to kind of, you know, give us the sugar to make the medicine go down. that's just not going to fly. most of us aren't going to support that. but i could certainly understand tom's political strategy of trying to take it off the table, then the president may get serious about dealing with all of the other financial problems we have. >> i hope y'all can come to some consensus...
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there is no net rising taxes today. any taxes increased are offset by taxes. mr. speaker, in last year's autumn statement, we maintained the same piece for consolidation beyond the current spending in 2015 and 2016 and 2017. in this year's autumn statement, we extended the consolidation program for the year is 2017. the opr project as that as a result, the share of national income spent by the state will fall from almost 40% of gdp in 2009 and 2010, to 39.9% 52018. the document shows total management expenditure will continue to fall and will now people are willing to go and 2018 and if it had been held flat in real time. no decisions to cut this is ever easy. those who said we would have higher taxes or higher borrowing or both. i also provide further details of the consolidation plans for 2015 and 2016, last year at this parliament. as the two years ago that the correct balance for the fiscal consolidation between spending and tax should be 80-20. i can announce that we will almost be exactly able to deliver on that mix. total spending will fall in the final yea
there is no net rising taxes today. any taxes increased are offset by taxes. mr. speaker, in last year's autumn statement, we maintained the same piece for consolidation beyond the current spending in 2015 and 2016 and 2017. in this year's autumn statement, we extended the consolidation program for the year is 2017. the opr project as that as a result, the share of national income spent by the state will fall from almost 40% of gdp in 2009 and 2010, to 39.9% 52018. the document shows total...
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income taxes, that we haven't paid more attention to property, state, local, and sales taxes? >> one big reason is this data doesn't exist. we created a model so that we could simulate the way that this tax burden is distributed. there's go government entity that looks at the burden of taxation. there is no centralized data. so people really miss this point. they don't appreciate the extent to which state and local taxes are interacting with federal taxes and really consuming the savings that people otherwise might be getting. it's just a new way of looking at it. >> and there's something that i guess is being called housers law where the idea being no matter where tax rates are, tax revenues as a percentage of gdp are going to remain constant or relatively constant over time. have you been getting pushed back to your story about that concept conce concept? >> well, it's important to understand that's true. whether or not it's a law is another question. it's absolutely true that they've remained pretty stable. the point here is the distribution has changed. relatively speaking
income taxes, that we haven't paid more attention to property, state, local, and sales taxes? >> one big reason is this data doesn't exist. we created a model so that we could simulate the way that this tax burden is distributed. there's go government entity that looks at the burden of taxation. there is no centralized data. so people really miss this point. they don't appreciate the extent to which state and local taxes are interacting with federal taxes and really consuming the savings...
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tax rates for the top 2%. they've been as high as 90% in the great depression, so you really have to have perspective here. it's hard to see the republicans making this their sticking point. making this thing that that is the hill that they will die on, is not raising taxes on the top 2%. i think that karen is right, that the white house has everything to gain by keeping the president above this. and on the payroll tax thing, that worked. that employ worked and i think that they're planning on having this work out again. the president is the one making the case to people that his staff is dealing with boehnerth and i think that's the right psychological play and it's the right political negotiating play. >> anna marie cox and karen tumblety. stand by, we're going to talk about grover norquist. by the way, karen, happy belated birthday. >> thank you. >> i hear you celebrated, i heard there was a wild party in d.c. last night. thanks for the invite. >> quick note here, don't know what you're doing with your sund
tax rates for the top 2%. they've been as high as 90% in the great depression, so you really have to have perspective here. it's hard to see the republicans making this their sticking point. making this thing that that is the hill that they will die on, is not raising taxes on the top 2%. i think that karen is right, that the white house has everything to gain by keeping the president above this. and on the payroll tax thing, that worked. that employ worked and i think that they're planning on...
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pays a lot of money in payroll taxes and sales taxes and state and local taxes and property taxes. it adds up even if they're not paying income tax. host: how would you compare the current talks to july 2011 and the debt limit, fiscal cliff, sequestration -- guest: the debt limit talks definitely set the stage for this. they were not completely without value. i get the sense it is a lot more serious now. it has almost been like a year- and-a-half long negotiation. with the real deadline being the expiration of the bush tax cuts at the end of this year. to some extent, now they're getting to the real deadline and it is more serious. host: have you written one of the, if we go over the cliff, this is what happens-type article? guest: yes. people would probably start feeling it in their paychecks pretty quickly. never mind what it means to the broader economy. it will hit. it will hurt a lot of people. if we did not change the law and it went one month, two months, three months, it could lead to another recession because there be such a sharp drop in people's incomes and it would be s
pays a lot of money in payroll taxes and sales taxes and state and local taxes and property taxes. it adds up even if they're not paying income tax. host: how would you compare the current talks to july 2011 and the debt limit, fiscal cliff, sequestration -- guest: the debt limit talks definitely set the stage for this. they were not completely without value. i get the sense it is a lot more serious now. it has almost been like a year- and-a-half long negotiation. with the real deadline being...
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everybody here will see their taxes go up on january 1st. i am assuming that doesn't sound too good to you. that's sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas. that's a scrooge christmas. >> president obama warning workers what would happen if congress does nothing to avert the impending fiscal cliff. the president was at the factory of kinex toys. let's get some insight on that visit from someone who was there. michael is the president and ceo of kinex. >> good morning. >> president obama said a fam of four's taxes could go up. what impact does that have? >> it's fantastic to have the president our endorser in chief. when you remove that discretionary income and toys are a discretionary purchase as are other things. you are having some potential impact on the entire economy. obviously, toys and other things, as well. >> the president's plan calls for raising the tax rates on americans earning $250,000 or more. most republicans remain dead set against the president's plan. >> that's true. i think, though, we have to take a look at th
everybody here will see their taxes go up on january 1st. i am assuming that doesn't sound too good to you. that's sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas. that's a scrooge christmas. >> president obama warning workers what would happen if congress does nothing to avert the impending fiscal cliff. the president was at the factory of kinex toys. let's get some insight on that visit from someone who was there. michael is the president and ceo of kinex. >> good morning....
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. >> some of it comes from the general fund, there's income taxes and other taxes in the tax code and payroll taxes that create this distinct funding mechanism. >> and some of the money in the general fund comes from the social security trust fund. >> that's right. >> i wanted to get more to the political aspect of it. so maybe popularly people don't want to see 34ed kade -- i'm sorry, medicare touched but the belt way folks, the folks that are going to be voting on this do want to see that. >> yes, would he do. >> what are we going to bring to the table? are we just going to say we're not going to bargain with you? i mean, at what level do we allow for, say, means testing? we may not like it, but that's what it's going to allow. >> means testing, we can do means testing. if you want to do means testing, there's a very efficient way of doing it. we will raise your taxes on -- >> if you have more money. >> the grand bargain. >> the reality is that's not going to happen. >> wait a second. >> that's not going to happen. we can talk about -- look, we can talk about -- >> the reason why th
. >> some of it comes from the general fund, there's income taxes and other taxes in the tax code and payroll taxes that create this distinct funding mechanism. >> and some of the money in the general fund comes from the social security trust fund. >> that's right. >> i wanted to get more to the political aspect of it. so maybe popularly people don't want to see 34ed kade -- i'm sorry, medicare touched but the belt way folks, the folks that are going to be voting on this...
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this is not acceptable, to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. right? that doesn't make sense. megyn: but some house republicans are describing the latest offer from the white house as absurd. they say the president ran on a platform to raise rates on top earners. that would amount to about $800 billion in new tax revenue they say he's now asking for double that amount, close to $1.6 trillion in new taxes. republicans also argue he calls for a balanced approach but asking for about four times as much in tax hikes as there are in possible spending cuts, all of which on the spending cut front would come later: possible spending cuts, all of which on the spending confront will come later. he also wants to permanently do away with the congress approves debt limit, effectively giving himself a blank check to add as much the sequence to a national debt that already stands at $16 trillion. moments ago, speaker of the house speaker boehner saying that the democrats plan is not going to fly. >> the white house took three we
this is not acceptable, to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. right? that doesn't make sense. megyn: but some house republicans are describing the latest offer from the white house as absurd. they say the president ran on a platform to raise rates on top earners. that would amount to about $800 billion in new tax revenue they say he's now asking for double that amount, close to $1.6 trillion in new taxes. republicans also...
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this is about tax cuts. the president is saying, renew the payroll tax cut. give tax cuts to every dollar earned up to $250,000. i don't know what they're thinking, thomas. but obviously, they are putting it all on the line for the koch brothers and sheldon adelson who earn billions of dollars. they're selfish. and there's a group called patriotic millionaires who are saying please, please, tax us fairly. and here's the point. the president is saying to the millionaires and billionaires, we're just taking you back to the tax rates that you had when bill clinton was president. and i would like to remind everybody, we had the greatest prosperity then when everyone paid their fair share. 23 million new jobs. and why is it? because the middle class had the money to spend out there, to stimulate this economy. it's a consumer-driven economy. about 70% of the economy is consumer driven. and the other thing the president put on the table, i understand, is refinancing proposal. >> right. >> where people trapped in 7%, 8% mortgages can go down to 4% and 5% mortgages ha
this is about tax cuts. the president is saying, renew the payroll tax cut. give tax cuts to every dollar earned up to $250,000. i don't know what they're thinking, thomas. but obviously, they are putting it all on the line for the koch brothers and sheldon adelson who earn billions of dollars. they're selfish. and there's a group called patriotic millionaires who are saying please, please, tax us fairly. and here's the point. the president is saying to the millionaires and billionaires, we're...
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we want increased taxes. if republicans, if you guys want entitlement reforms, you need to name them. republicans are saying, the white house and democrats know what we want when it comes to medicare, when it comes to social security. they need to actually come out and pick them. democrats, on the other hand, are almost kind of like, no, you guys need to name this stuff first before we start talking about it. again, thomas, we really are in the stage right now where this is a lot more about pr. it's about press conferences rather than hard negotiating. which we won't reach until about mid-december. >> mark murray, thank you, sir. i appreciate it. >>> coming up in less than a half an hour from now, the start of the u.n. general assembly session that is expected to result in an overwhelming approval of a resolution recognizing palestine as a state. that resolution is strongly opposed by israel and the u.s. which failed n eed in its effor prevent today's vote. joining me now is israeli vice minister, silvan shal
we want increased taxes. if republicans, if you guys want entitlement reforms, you need to name them. republicans are saying, the white house and democrats know what we want when it comes to medicare, when it comes to social security. they need to actually come out and pick them. democrats, on the other hand, are almost kind of like, no, you guys need to name this stuff first before we start talking about it. again, thomas, we really are in the stage right now where this is a lot more about pr....
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our tax revenues are down. historically they have been about 18 to 19% of the gross domestic product. part of that is the recession, but significant loss of revenue is because of the bush tax policies, and it was based on this idealogical fiction if you lower taxes it will increase revenues. and their focus was lowering taxes at the high end. we had higher tax rates under clinton, and we created 40 million jobs and had a surplus. then the bush folks came in put the war on the credit card prescription drugs on the credit card, and lowered taxes at the high end, and we had only 700,000 jobs, and had astonishing deficits since then. >> stephanie: the same l.a. times piece even makes that case with the war in afghanistan winding down, the military is asking for less than congress wants to give. so i think there has been so much hysteria over this fiscal cliff that i'm not sure it's warranted. >> that's exactly right. and also the ryan budget you know, their doctrine -- and it really is doctrining. lower taxes for t
our tax revenues are down. historically they have been about 18 to 19% of the gross domestic product. part of that is the recession, but significant loss of revenue is because of the bush tax policies, and it was based on this idealogical fiction if you lower taxes it will increase revenues. and their focus was lowering taxes at the high end. we had higher tax rates under clinton, and we created 40 million jobs and had a surplus. then the bush folks came in put the war on the credit card...
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he wants to raise taxes now. and, by the way, he'll get back to us with how exactly he intends to cut spending later. that's why speaker of the house john boehner told reporters no substantive progress has been made. president obama has no interest in reducing the size of the federal government. now democrats before him he's dangling the prospect of future budget cuts in the hopes republicans will take the bait. with that in mind, it's important to remember the words of president ronald reagan, he wrote them in his own autobiography, and described in great deal a deal he struck with the democrats in 1980s, promising $3 in spending cuts for every dollar in a tax increase. reagan wrote, the democrats reneged on their pledge and we never got those cuts. perhaps that's why some on the right are calling foul on these negotiations. >> the only secret talks have revealed, a government that skips from one crisis to the next. all of this secrecy allows the president to petition himself frankly and being in favor of a bala
he wants to raise taxes now. and, by the way, he'll get back to us with how exactly he intends to cut spending later. that's why speaker of the house john boehner told reporters no substantive progress has been made. president obama has no interest in reducing the size of the federal government. now democrats before him he's dangling the prospect of future budget cuts in the hopes republicans will take the bait. with that in mind, it's important to remember the words of president ronald reagan,...
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he suggested that he wants to see taxes go up for the rich. middle class tax cuts get extended for the middle class and then we will back and deal with spending cuts next year. >> and it would give us more time than next year to work together on a comprehensive plan to bring down our deficits it, to streamline our tax system. to do it in a balanced way. including asking the wealthiest americans to pay a little more. >> the problem with that strategy is that republic leaders are insisting that they don't want to take a framework for spending cuts down the road in exchange for tax changes now. they want it all done at the same time so that they can be sure that if taxes are going up on the rich, that in fact some of those spending cuts to bring down the debt will actually materialize. it might make it more likely to go of 00 cliff even though the president insisted today he thinks there will be a deal within weeks, shep. >> shepard: as for extending tax cuts for middle class americans it sounds like there is some agreement on that matter. >> it
he suggested that he wants to see taxes go up for the rich. middle class tax cuts get extended for the middle class and then we will back and deal with spending cuts next year. >> and it would give us more time than next year to work together on a comprehensive plan to bring down our deficits it, to streamline our tax system. to do it in a balanced way. including asking the wealthiest americans to pay a little more. >> the problem with that strategy is that republic leaders are...
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. >> read my lips, no new taxes. and when he violated that pledge -- >> off with his head! ♪ >>> we begin with a very busy day in washington and an array of meetings that would put your average speed dating event to shame. as we know, politics sometimes makes strange bedfellows. in this case one unusual lunch day. this afternoon the president hosted his vanquished rival, mitt romney. no word yet on if mr. romney found the cookies up to his rig rouse standards or how many white house beers the president decided to drink. we're also holding out hope that a savvy waiter or waitress caught at least 47% of the lunch on cell phone video. while in washington romney also met with his former running mate, the marathoner paul ryan, and offered a few kind words about him to the press. >> mr. romney, how was your meeting with mr. ryan today? was it nice to see him? >> that's a greet friend. good to be with him. >> good to be with him? >> always great to see paul ryan. >> while today's lunch was perhaps an opportunity to shake after a hard fought campaign, not everybody was feeling so
. >> read my lips, no new taxes. and when he violated that pledge -- >> off with his head! ♪ >>> we begin with a very busy day in washington and an array of meetings that would put your average speed dating event to shame. as we know, politics sometimes makes strange bedfellows. in this case one unusual lunch day. this afternoon the president hosted his vanquished rival, mitt romney. no word yet on if mr. romney found the cookies up to his rig rouse standards or how many...
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the middle class. >> the payroll tax goes up and the tax goes up for everybody including the people that make just barely enough to live on. my concern is the world. i'm sitting there imagining you're in england right now or australia or africa and you're watching the news every day. and you know that in the united states both political parties, you sort of know who they are, both know there's a problem, both know the number they need to reach, both know they have to reach an agreement, and they don't do it. what does it say about our country? we're the great role model for democracy for the republican form of government and we can't govern ourselves in the simplest damn thing of getting the numbers straight. i worry about that. >> they love their party more than they love their country. how did we get to that point? don't ask me, but, you know, the whole business of reform and money in the campaign and beat up the guy and it's not a case of who wins. it's you want to be sure somebody loses. and i say to people whether it's grover norquist or whatever, lord sake, if you can't step up to
the middle class. >> the payroll tax goes up and the tax goes up for everybody including the people that make just barely enough to live on. my concern is the world. i'm sitting there imagining you're in england right now or australia or africa and you're watching the news every day. and you know that in the united states both political parties, you sort of know who they are, both know there's a problem, both know the number they need to reach, both know they have to reach an agreement,...
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tax cut extension on the 98%. is there enough there that you think, before december 31st we get there? i know with the caveat we're all trying to read the tea leaves, from your experience what does it tell us. >> i think the political will is there. you see somebody like coburn, who has been working for over a year with people like heath shuler, democrat from north carolina and mike simpson, you know, put together a letter -- >> of idaho. >> right. not a moderate. we sat in meetings and there was acknowledgement by both sides and that's why you had a letter of 40 republicans and 16 democrats that had revenue and entitlement reform in the letter six months ago. i think it's there. >> dave, let me ask you, quickly, let's say there's a deal. is it possible for a political win to come out of a deal for republicans? >> listen if we get to the successful conclusion that's moving things forward the country wants this resolved, right? being able to get to that resolution as a reflection then that you successfully governed
tax cut extension on the 98%. is there enough there that you think, before december 31st we get there? i know with the caveat we're all trying to read the tea leaves, from your experience what does it tell us. >> i think the political will is there. you see somebody like coburn, who has been working for over a year with people like heath shuler, democrat from north carolina and mike simpson, you know, put together a letter -- >> of idaho. >> right. not a moderate. we sat in...
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keeping the bush tax cults for 98% of americans, give up on keeping tax cuts low for the wealthy, 2%. take a listen to what cole on capitol hill had to say moments ago. >> in my view, we all agree that we're not going to raise taxes on people who make less than $250,000. we should take them out of this discussion right now and continue to fight against any rate increase, continue to try to work honestly for a much bigger deal. >> has the tipping point been reached, sir? is the compromise in front of us right now because so many republicans are willing to talk act revenue? >> well, look. tom cole, who is a friend of mine, was the former chairman of the republican congressional campaign committee. i am the current chairman of the democratic congressional campaign committee. anytime you can get the former republican congressional campaign committee chair and the current democratic congressional committee democratic chair to agree on something, do it, pass it. tom cole is right. this is why people are frustrated with washington. everybody on capitol hill agrees on this fact at least, that
keeping the bush tax cults for 98% of americans, give up on keeping tax cuts low for the wealthy, 2%. take a listen to what cole on capitol hill had to say moments ago. >> in my view, we all agree that we're not going to raise taxes on people who make less than $250,000. we should take them out of this discussion right now and continue to fight against any rate increase, continue to try to work honestly for a much bigger deal. >> has the tipping point been reached, sir? is the...
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the democrats did not want to extend all the tax cuts. they only wanted to do some of the tax cuts. and he was trying to create an impression of the time that republicans were obstructing the process. but in reality, they were respecting the agenda and creating an environment that they can win politically. and he said right after this quote, a rare weekend session in the senate -- he had to senate's side by side. no republicans and he set this up and show that republicans were obstructionist. but they would not go along with what he said is that the country. this is a public relations ploy designed to shift the democrat ability to go along with what republicans have to do. the republicans are saying we don't want to go along with what the democrats want to do. in short, he was seeking to control the agenda and i think that's the real issue. certainly, there are times when minorities of both parties both needed to or wanted to. but the real issue is one of agenda control. we actually have a way to think about this. in political science. if you look at the way that the house majority
the democrats did not want to extend all the tax cuts. they only wanted to do some of the tax cuts. and he was trying to create an impression of the time that republicans were obstructing the process. but in reality, they were respecting the agenda and creating an environment that they can win politically. and he said right after this quote, a rare weekend session in the senate -- he had to senate's side by side. no republicans and he set this up and show that republicans were obstructionist....
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there was a contrast of ideas over what we do with our tax code and how we reform our tax code. and at the even of the date president got millions more in the popular vote than romney because americans think by and large their wealthier neighbors and wealthier americans should be paying a fairer share. it's not fair when you have the wealthiest among us paying a lower effective tax rate. megyn: is the media -- the media has been focused on the tax hikes and whether president obama is going to get them and not focused on spending cuts. is that because the republicans and the president agree the middle class needs those tax cuts and should get them. the only thing they disagree on is whether the rich should also have tax cuts given to them. the left is say we agreet middle class should get the tax cuts. so let's give them to them. >> you are comment is largely right. the republicans have gone along in a bipartisan manner with the idea there has to be revenue. the speaker has put forward a framework in which he agrees there should be $800 billion of revenue on the table. the proble
there was a contrast of ideas over what we do with our tax code and how we reform our tax code. and at the even of the date president got millions more in the popular vote than romney because americans think by and large their wealthier neighbors and wealthier americans should be paying a fairer share. it's not fair when you have the wealthiest among us paying a lower effective tax rate. megyn: is the media -- the media has been focused on the tax hikes and whether president obama is going to...
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all of the bush tax cuts will have gone away. some maintain that in that environment, if the president put forward a tax cut bill for all of those under 250,000, that the republicans would reject it and insist on something for the wealthiest as william. that just isn't realistic. i can't imagine that in that kind of environment when given the option of extending tax cuts or reinstating them for all of those middle class families that the g.o.p. would stand in the way. so from a leverage point of view, i think the g.o.p. one of the reasons i think they are starting to cave on the issue is they realize they are in a far weaker position. >> as you point out let's say we get up to the deadline and the republican position still is: no on the 98% unless we get the tax cuts extended for the top two % as well. you are president obama. do you take that deal or say no deal? >> you say no deal. you say no deal. >> you have to. don't you? >> the election has to have meant something. this was a central facet of the election that, you know, th
all of the bush tax cuts will have gone away. some maintain that in that environment, if the president put forward a tax cut bill for all of those under 250,000, that the republicans would reject it and insist on something for the wealthiest as william. that just isn't realistic. i can't imagine that in that kind of environment when given the option of extending tax cuts or reinstating them for all of those middle class families that the g.o.p. would stand in the way. so from a leverage point...
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tax reform. people who are following us on twitter, just tweeted, we'll take your questions. we want to thank the bank of america for supporting these series. the forum is about issues that matter most in washington. last week, how the obama campaign won and today we will talk about very important issue for conservatives and republicans, the path forward for them and their party. we appreciate bank of america's partnership including at both of the conventions. and we are going to bring you into the conversation. you got cards. we would love to take your questions and also be getting questions as they call it on "morning joe"," the twitter machine. we would love to bring out grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. good morning, grover. [applause] >> you don't have your bag. he is attached to his bag. >> they told me it was too streamlined up here for the bag. >> thank you very much for coming out. can republicans raise taxes and not break your pledge? >> difficult. >> it's not know
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making tax fun. that's interesting. >> that's what "worldwide exchange" can do for you. >> thank you, steve. more to come. still to come, democrats and republicans continue their fight for the upper hand on the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner's facing something of a revolt within gop's ranks over his budget plan. we'll have the latest from washington when we come back. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to something of a holt. john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his bung budget plan. another shanghai surprise. china's mainland market surge nearly 3%. more austerity. plus, austerity measures are hitting european consumers. retail sales in october fall much more than expected. september also revised sharply to the downside. >>> it was a flat day really for european stocks, slightly negative for u.s. stocks yesterday. we are a little bit higher. the dow is currently some 43 points above fair value. the nasdaq is around four poin
making tax fun. that's interesting. >> that's what "worldwide exchange" can do for you. >> thank you, steve. more to come. still to come, democrats and republicans continue their fight for the upper hand on the fiscal cliff. house speaker john boehner's facing something of a revolt within gop's ranks over his budget plan. we'll have the latest from washington when we come back. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff have ran to...
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the taxes are this. 35% will go to federal taxes. 4.54% will go to arizona taxes, that is much better than california. and 6% will go to missouri taxes. interesting too a couple other notes for you. one this isn't the largest lottery in u.s. history actually earlier this year the megamillions game was $656 million. three people bought tickets that won that, that was earlier this year, and the largest in the history of the world, believe it or not was back in spain in 2011. $939million somebody won over there. martha. martha: wow, well, you know we'd lick to her a good story. if you have a good story about winning the lottery and everything turning out really well, let us know. >> reporter: i would have shared. i would have shared. martha: thank you, adam. we'll see you soon. bill: thank you, adam. if you're watching us right now you probably didn't win. you'd be out answering the phone or having a good party. martha: first thing i would do is watch "america's newsroom" if i won. bill: okay that's it. the odds of winning, space junk falling to earth and hitting one person, one in 3200.
the taxes are this. 35% will go to federal taxes. 4.54% will go to arizona taxes, that is much better than california. and 6% will go to missouri taxes. interesting too a couple other notes for you. one this isn't the largest lottery in u.s. history actually earlier this year the megamillions game was $656 million. three people bought tickets that won that, that was earlier this year, and the largest in the history of the world, believe it or not was back in spain in 2011. $939million somebody...
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the 2001 tax cuts about to expire. senator reid on the floor, the democrats did not want to extend all tax cuts, just some of the tax cuts, and he was trying to create an impression that, at the time, that republicans were obstructing the process and what the democrats wanted to do, but in reallots what reid was trying to do, i believe, was set the agenda and create an environment so that he could win politically and set up after the quote, a rare weekend session in the senate where he had two votes, no republican amendments allowed, and he set this up to show that republicans were obstructionists, and that they would not go along with what he said was good for the country, and this was a public relations ploy designed to shift attention from the democrats inability to come along with what republicans wanted to do, which is fine, their prerogative k to republicans saying we don't want to go along with what the democratsment to do. in short, he was seeking to control the agenda, and i think that's the real issue here. c
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raising the gas tax is the latest. tom kloza joined those on the phone now. >> i think it is probably something that is sensible to look at. melissa: what works? this is incredibly regressive. i cannot imagine democrats embracing this. this will hit lower income americans the hardest. >> in the rural south and the rural midwest. it has not been increased since 1993. it is a fraction of what you see. here is a thought. if you really believe and i do believe that we are probably going to be much more dependent on foreign oral and have two purdue as oil going forward, there may be a way to index it towards those u.s. numbers. melissa: is the economy growing at 8% and no one told me look back why would you raise taxes on something like this works? home values are terrible. unemployment is high. that just takes money directly away from things that people would spend money on to fuel the economy and put that in the pocket of the government. >> i would disagree with you. years ago if we would spend as much as we well this yea
raising the gas tax is the latest. tom kloza joined those on the phone now. >> i think it is probably something that is sensible to look at. melissa: what works? this is incredibly regressive. i cannot imagine democrats embracing this. this will hit lower income americans the hardest. >> in the rural south and the rural midwest. it has not been increased since 1993. it is a fraction of what you see. here is a thought. if you really believe and i do believe that we are probably going...
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bill: the focus is all on taxes and tax rates and not on spending. how can you be serious when you want to raise $1.6 trillion in taxes at a time when growth is around 2? >> that's the point i was making. they complain about want to go cut spending but they made no offer to cut spending. when the president talked about cutting spending, when they talk about defense spending what happens? they attack him. for the entire campaign all we heard about was how obama wanted to cut medicare. so which is it? i it he cut too much or he doesn't cut anything? and where is there offer? if they say they are the party of cutting spending stop talking about the democrats, make an offer. >> mitch mcconnell is out there every single day saying these are the entitlement changes that i think make sense and would get us to a deal. raising the retirement age, dealing with change the inflation formula so the programs aren't spending so much out over time. if president obama is interested in reforming entitlements which he says he is but he never specifies what it would be.
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there is also other taxes like gasoline tax, phone tax. we pay a lot of money to foreign countries that we do not need to. as i think about taxes. guest: this is kind of one of the ideas that republicans talk about, and democrats talk about when we talk about moving to tax reform. it is getting the individual provisions. right now it is a complicated mess. the kind of start over with a simple system that has a few income brackets. easier said than done. that is one of the goals here. host: jim from twitter says -- guest: absolutely. a lot of these credits and deductions, the standard deduction exceeds what you would get, that you just take that. host: the specific credits we have been talking about prompt a question from cindy. guest: yes. you generally have to be working are working outside the home. host: is there an hour requirements? guest: there are a lot of specific requirements. host: kay from richmond, virginia. caller: if somebody is working as hard as they can and making less than $50,000 a year, they count on this refund every y
there is also other taxes like gasoline tax, phone tax. we pay a lot of money to foreign countries that we do not need to. as i think about taxes. guest: this is kind of one of the ideas that republicans talk about, and democrats talk about when we talk about moving to tax reform. it is getting the individual provisions. right now it is a complicated mess. the kind of start over with a simple system that has a few income brackets. easier said than done. that is one of the goals here. host: jim...
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we can raise tax revenue by simplifying the tax code, not increasing tax rates. we can address wasteful government spending that jeopardize an hour commitments in the national defense and protecting our most honorable. we can jump-start our economy by assuring americans that congress and the president can work together to get the job done and deal courageously with the pressing problems of today. when it comes to the fiscal cliff, the president and congress will either fail together or we will succeed together. there is nothing in between. i am confident that we can pass the test and do what is good and right for the american people. >> the president has been talking a lot about taxes lately, and as acpa who practiced for years and a member of ways and means committee, there is no one who likes to talk about tax more than i do. but let's be honest -- talking about taxes is not going to solve the problem that america faces. we have to turn to the spending side of the ledger. furthermore, his tax proposal will kill about 700,000 jobs and do harm to the economy, aga
we can raise tax revenue by simplifying the tax code, not increasing tax rates. we can address wasteful government spending that jeopardize an hour commitments in the national defense and protecting our most honorable. we can jump-start our economy by assuring americans that congress and the president can work together to get the job done and deal courageously with the pressing problems of today. when it comes to the fiscal cliff, the president and congress will either fail together or we will...
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remember we're talking about 2013 taxes, not 2012 taxes. but if americans are taking out loans based on what their tax return is going to be in april maybe we should be talking about financial literacy and not about how budgeting works. >> we can but i'm just trying to tell you realistically that's how people are living their lives in the united states of america in the 21st century. so we need to be real about how people are living their lives. >> you know what, one thing i do want to talk about, i'll begin with you tony on this. i'm sure you saw that photo making the rounds this week of house committee chairmen? what is that all about. they're all white males. speaker boehner now said he was indeed appointing a female chair congresswoman, candice miller. this committee is in charge of things like the house cafeteria, expense accounts, benefits packages. sounds like a token appointment to a somewhat low-level position. >> look. speaking as a white male republican, wasn't really happy to see that. i want to see more women and more represent
remember we're talking about 2013 taxes, not 2012 taxes. but if americans are taking out loans based on what their tax return is going to be in april maybe we should be talking about financial literacy and not about how budgeting works. >> we can but i'm just trying to tell you realistically that's how people are living their lives in the united states of america in the 21st century. so we need to be real about how people are living their lives. >> you know what, one thing i do want...
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in taxes. martha: concerns over america's fiscal cliff have sent the markets lower in premarket trading. there is a look at where the dow is poised to open this morning. with the dow, the s & p and the nasdaq all trading lower. speaking of that, a new round of violent protests break out in egypt as police fired teargas into the crowds. here are some of those scenes. >> unbelievable. more than 100,000 people flooded into downtown cairo. this time they are protesting the current president martha maccallum and his power grab. they are disillusioned with what he has brought to their country. then you have this happening. police firing teargas. gypt's highest courts refusing to work in protest of morsi's actions. steve harrigan is streaming live from cairo. the protests looked like the unrest we saw in that same square back in 2009 and the arab spring and the overthrow of mubarak. how dangerous is it? is it more dangerous now? >> this certainly allows similarities between what we saw last night and
in taxes. martha: concerns over america's fiscal cliff have sent the markets lower in premarket trading. there is a look at where the dow is poised to open this morning. with the dow, the s & p and the nasdaq all trading lower. speaking of that, a new round of violent protests break out in egypt as police fired teargas into the crowds. here are some of those scenes. >> unbelievable. more than 100,000 people flooded into downtown cairo. this time they are protesting the current...
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paying more taxes. that will go up in january. cheryl: it will be interesting. protesters in each of force the u.s. embassy in cairo to shut down. up-to-the-minute coverage ahead. dennis: it is illegal to smoke pot in two western states, but we will tell you why employers can still fire you for doing it. cheryl: that makes sense, right? would you pay more for vitamin c in showers or aromatherapy? we will talk to the man behind the stay well hotel concept. dennis: as we do every day this time, here is looking at her, why that the cme with that. [ male announcer ] where do you turn for legal matters? at legalzoom, we've created a better place to handle your legal needs. maybe you have questions about incorporating a business you'd like to start. or questions about protecting your family with a will or living trust. and you'd like to find e right attorney to help guide you along, answer any questions and offer advice. with an "a" rating from the better business bureau legalzoom hel you get personalized and
paying more taxes. that will go up in january. cheryl: it will be interesting. protesters in each of force the u.s. embassy in cairo to shut down. up-to-the-minute coverage ahead. dennis: it is illegal to smoke pot in two western states, but we will tell you why employers can still fire you for doing it. cheryl: that makes sense, right? would you pay more for vitamin c in showers or aromatherapy? we will talk to the man behind the stay well hotel concept. dennis: as we do every day this time,...
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on real after-tax tax basis, it is a much different story. >> yeah. you get a cap tamm gains and -- should you sell the share? capital gains taxes going up? dividend stocks aren't going to be worth as much. how do you -- is it already reflected? >> well, from a capital gains standpoint yes, you should take your gains. from a dividend perspective -- the fed is already screwing savers by having rates at zero. the government will screw savers more by taking more out of your dividends. unfortunately savers are going to have no choice but to own dividend paying stocks. >> joe is not paying attention. buy lottery tickets and open a moe's franchise. that's what we should do. >> someone tweeted i have moe's tortilla chips. >> up next, up next -- thanks, peter. gop criticizing the president's proposals for taxes and spending increases. dems telling the republicans to bring their ideas to the table. can the two sides get together and get a deal done? we ask ed rendell and judd gregg about that and much more "squawk box" is coming right back after a break. for m
on real after-tax tax basis, it is a much different story. >> yeah. you get a cap tamm gains and -- should you sell the share? capital gains taxes going up? dividend stocks aren't going to be worth as much. how do you -- is it already reflected? >> well, from a capital gains standpoint yes, you should take your gains. from a dividend perspective -- the fed is already screwing savers by having rates at zero. the government will screw savers more by taking more out of your dividends....
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in exchange, he says republicans could agree to more tax revenue, but not through higher tax rates. will both sides be able to work this thing out? let's bring in our panel, donna is an advisor to pennsylvania senator bob kerry and a former staffer for pennsylvania governor ed rendell. ron is a former communications director to the house speaker, dennis hastert. good to see you both. >> good to sigh. >> gregg: donna, let's start with what the president was offering a. even democrats are criticizing him for demanding 150 billion in more spending. not less, including a $50 billion stimulus this next year. at a time when the focus perhaps should be on spending cuts, are those democrats right? >> well, i'm hearing many more democrats resonating with the message that the president is delivering and that message is that he ran on and got elected on the basis of more taxes for the most wealthy americans. i think that there is a real danger for republicans in not really hearing that message. i've been impressed by the number of republicans that have made positive indications that more reven
in exchange, he says republicans could agree to more tax revenue, but not through higher tax rates. will both sides be able to work this thing out? let's bring in our panel, donna is an advisor to pennsylvania senator bob kerry and a former staffer for pennsylvania governor ed rendell. ron is a former communications director to the house speaker, dennis hastert. good to see you both. >> good to sigh. >> gregg: donna, let's start with what the president was offering a. even democrats...
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it has been some progress on the tax cut side in terms of tax reform that could raise a type of revenue that we are going to need, but as far as i can see, there has been no meaningful discussion at all on the spending side and as many americans have to balance the wrong budget knows, if you have a deficit that means you have to bring in more rate comment and spend less. melissa: all we're ever talking about is raising taxes and nobody is talking about what we need to cut. the first thing you would do is stop spending. let's tighten our belts. regardless though you really think it is too late? i think they can come up with some solution that is held together with chicken wire and bubblegum and scotch tape and this little crummy thing that will keep us from going over the cliff pushing the whole problem off into the future. speak i think you have to treat two separate issues separately. one is avoiding the cliff, and i think the way to do that is to reach a short-term agreement on tax cut extensions. relatively optimistic they can get a long-term budget agreement done next year, but don'
it has been some progress on the tax cut side in terms of tax reform that could raise a type of revenue that we are going to need, but as far as i can see, there has been no meaningful discussion at all on the spending side and as many americans have to balance the wrong budget knows, if you have a deficit that means you have to bring in more rate comment and spend less. melissa: all we're ever talking about is raising taxes and nobody is talking about what we need to cut. the first thing you...
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$2,000 more in taxes. we will give a tax increase. we will raise taxes on 98% of americans unless you give us another tax break for our buddies and millionaires and billionaires, the top 2% in the country. you can't blame even mitch mcconnell any more. it's john boehner who is standing in the way. he did so again the republicans give this babble. the president says what's your plan? what do you want to cut? close loopholes. what loopholes? they won't say. to them, nothing. a detailed plan versus nothing. you've got a existed in in president obama versus a lose her in john boehner. and here is boehner again yesterday, on fox news sunday saying, when he looked at the president's proposal, oh my god. >> i was flabbergasted. >> flabbergasted. >> he can't be serious. i just have never seen anything like it. we've got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year three weeks have been wasted with the nonsense. who is flabbergasted anymore? have you ever heard that word? >> peter: an old word. >> 1920s
$2,000 more in taxes. we will give a tax increase. we will raise taxes on 98% of americans unless you give us another tax break for our buddies and millionaires and billionaires, the top 2% in the country. you can't blame even mitch mcconnell any more. it's john boehner who is standing in the way. he did so again the republicans give this babble. the president says what's your plan? what do you want to cut? close loopholes. what loopholes? they won't say. to them, nothing. a detailed plan...
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so it's not like folks who make more than 250 aren't getting a tax break too, they are getting a tax break on the first 250 just like everybody else. families and small businesses would therefore be able to enjoy some piece of mind heading into christmas and heading into the new year. and it would give us more time than next year to work together on a comprehensive plan to bring down our deficits, to streamline our tax system, to do it in a balanced way, including asking the wealthist americans to pay a little more so we can still invest in things like education, and training and science and research research. i know some of this may sound familiar to you because we talked a lot about this during campaign. this shouldn't be a surprise to anybody. this was a major debate in the presidential campaign and in congressional campaigns all across the country, and a clear majority of americans, not just democrats, but also a lot of republicans and a lot of independents agreed we should have a balanced approach to deficit reduction that doesn't hurt the economy and doesn't hurt middle class f
so it's not like folks who make more than 250 aren't getting a tax break too, they are getting a tax break on the first 250 just like everybody else. families and small businesses would therefore be able to enjoy some piece of mind heading into christmas and heading into the new year. and it would give us more time than next year to work together on a comprehensive plan to bring down our deficits, to streamline our tax system, to do it in a balanced way, including asking the wealthist americans...
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tax breaks, right? democrats are fighting hard to preserve the tax deduction for state and local taxes, that costs the federal budget more than $80 billion a year. why? because 7 of 8 states where taxpayers use the deductions that much are blue or democratic. new york, new jersey, pennsylvania, all blue with the highest state local -- state and local taxes taken out there and property taxes. the tax deductions on them benefit higher income taxpayers in states that consistently deliver for the democrats. i get the politics of this but democrats need to own up. they can't have their cake and eat it, too. in the end, we are all going to pay more or we are going to get less. if we're serious about the fiscal house in order. if demonstrates are serious about republicans to break with ideology and their party base, to vote for higher tax rates, democrats have to be willing to do the same and break with their base. both sides can go back to the politics after they get in right. quit scrapping. get the work don
tax breaks, right? democrats are fighting hard to preserve the tax deduction for state and local taxes, that costs the federal budget more than $80 billion a year. why? because 7 of 8 states where taxpayers use the deductions that much are blue or democratic. new york, new jersey, pennsylvania, all blue with the highest state local -- state and local taxes taken out there and property taxes. the tax deductions on them benefit higher income taxpayers in states that consistently deliver for the...
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so right now everybody's debating about tax rates or tax deductions. that's really a side show. >> i agree. >> the main stage here is really how much goes into each of those three buckets and what are we going to do today and what are we going to do tomorrow and how does that work out so that we get a deal by sometime early next year. >> you're talking fiscal abyss. we've got them all together. mine the fiscal cliff is january 1st. your $4 trillion deal is like a simpson-bowles thing. the fiscal abyss, i don't know if we know whether that's going to be a one- or two-step process. >> it should be a two-step process because you can never deal with $4 trillion in two weeks. >> they can spend $4 trillion in two weeks. >> they can and they have. >> and they do. >> yeah. so i think the -- what they need to do, though, right now is everybody keeps talking about the cliff as like here it comes december 31st. the reality is businesses today are acting as if this is going to happen. so this is not whether the dow goes up and down and that's the symbol of whether
so right now everybody's debating about tax rates or tax deductions. that's really a side show. >> i agree. >> the main stage here is really how much goes into each of those three buckets and what are we going to do today and what are we going to do tomorrow and how does that work out so that we get a deal by sometime early next year. >> you're talking fiscal abyss. we've got them all together. mine the fiscal cliff is january 1st. your $4 trillion deal is like a...
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and the restoration party has reportedly vowed to cut corporate income taxes. two of japan's top high tech firms have decided to join forces in a bid to power up overseas rivals. more live from tokyo. in respect. >>> there will be a joint venture by january 2014. the integration will cover gas turbines and power systems mainly for thermal power plants as well as business but it will not include nuclear power operations. am sales of the new company is estimated to total around $13 billion, a close third in the global thermal power market. infrastructure demand continues to grow worldwide. shares surged following the nikkei report just before the bell. and that's all from me. back to you, kelly. >> thanks very much. samsung may have found a way to get a leg up defense japanese rivals on on the digital camera front. cheri has the details from seoul. >> yeah, samsung today took the wraps off its new android powered digital camera. the camera that has a smart phone like tendencies allows users to upload their photos to their favorite social networking site wirelessl
and the restoration party has reportedly vowed to cut corporate income taxes. two of japan's top high tech firms have decided to join forces in a bid to power up overseas rivals. more live from tokyo. in respect. >>> there will be a joint venture by january 2014. the integration will cover gas turbines and power systems mainly for thermal power plants as well as business but it will not include nuclear power operations. am sales of the new company is estimated to total around $13...
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minimum tax. that's the only part of this whole mess that actually affects your 2012 taxes. it is a big problem, and it would hit like 30 million families who don't know it's coming, but most of this increase affects your 2013 taxes. so you wouldn't actually -- you would feel it in withholding, feel it in your paycheck, but they have time to fix this before you file your 2013 taxes to give you back some of that money. >> time to fix this, laurie montgomery, thank you. i want to start there with dana bash here in a moment. because the fiscal cliff debate is starting to sound like, you know, a high stakes game of chicken. there is all kinds of tough talk. no action. right now democrats and republicans are refusing to compromise on this key sticking point, how to get more money from wealthy people. president obama, you know the deal, he wants to raise tax rates for the wealthy. house speaker john boehner wants to close tax loopholes, limit deductions for the wealthy. let's stay on the hill here, let'
minimum tax. that's the only part of this whole mess that actually affects your 2012 taxes. it is a big problem, and it would hit like 30 million families who don't know it's coming, but most of this increase affects your 2013 taxes. so you wouldn't actually -- you would feel it in withholding, feel it in your paycheck, but they have time to fix this before you file your 2013 taxes to give you back some of that money. >> time to fix this, laurie montgomery, thank you. i want to start...
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california's voted for taxes. californians voted for the same thing the president is proposing. >> bill: exactly. >> going back to the tax rates for those who earn $250,000 and above and so with those tools alone, california has the possibility of raising revenue. you know in the time that i was there, our budget was $110 billion. by the time i left, it was $83 billion. so the cuts to schools in particular have been absolutely devastating. finally, californians have taken a chance and are going to reverse that. >> bill: california voters said we're willing to raise taxes on the wealthiest and they also said if those republicans are just being obstructionists standing in the way we're going to get them out of the way. so you are hopeful that things can come together. the president today -- the white house announced yesterday the president is going to go on the road. he's going up to pennsylvania. to a toy factory small business on friday. he's going to be making trips around the country to build support for this ta
california's voted for taxes. californians voted for the same thing the president is proposing. >> bill: exactly. >> going back to the tax rates for those who earn $250,000 and above and so with those tools alone, california has the possibility of raising revenue. you know in the time that i was there, our budget was $110 billion. by the time i left, it was $83 billion. so the cuts to schools in particular have been absolutely devastating. finally, californians have taken a chance...
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let's talk about raising taxes, tax rights, so we can pay for eight or nine days more of federal government spending every year. what i'm saying is let's -- let's address the whole enchilada. >> i understand and i think -- >> we have to do some spending cuts. >> i understand. i think a lot of your colleagues would agree and we're starting to hear some of your other colleagues may be flirting with something that it sounds like you would not go along with. but nevertheless, let me back up here, your side is criticizing the president for going straight to the public here when you talk about the president's strategy, right, he's going to the public, meeting with middle class americans, meeting with ceos to make his case on this. you have speaker boehner. you have senate leader for your party mitch mcconnell. they're both saying, hang on, he needs to get in there and negotiate. but i want to point this out, congresswoman, let me point this out, this is from erskine bowles today. we talked about ad nauseam of the simpson/bowles debt committee and this is erskine bowles about to meet with the pres
let's talk about raising taxes, tax rights, so we can pay for eight or nine days more of federal government spending every year. what i'm saying is let's -- let's address the whole enchilada. >> i understand and i think -- >> we have to do some spending cuts. >> i understand. i think a lot of your colleagues would agree and we're starting to hear some of your other colleagues may be flirting with something that it sounds like you would not go along with. but nevertheless, let...